Thursday, June 25, 2009

Are You Kidding Me?



I just HAVE to blog about this topic today - the absence of the word "no" when disciplining children. I want to thank a reader here who emailed me a link to a popular parenting forum that was discussing this topic. Before I go off on what is sure to turn into a rant I will share with you the scenario:

A daycare provider posted asking for advice in ceasing some bad behavior exhibited by a child in her care. Apparently, this child was consistently hitting another. The provider was at her wits end. She had tried using words, redirection and time-outs. Feeling helpless and defeated she asked others for advice.

One of the responses made me nearly spit out my coffee when I read it. I will share it with you now:


I think saying "she does not hit" and time outs are very
negative. Rather than tell her what not to do - tell her what to
do. Hands are for shaking or hands are for high fives or hands are for hugging.
I don't even use the word "no" and my sitter doesn't either As far as time
outs go - try re-directing the little girl to something else. At the very
most have her do a sit down activity (colouring).There is never a reason to speak negatively, raise your voice, use the word no or hit a child. All
unacceptable to me. I can honestly say if I found out my sitter ever put dd in time out or spoke to her negatively, dd would not be going back.

All I can say to this is “wow”. Honestly? Is “no” such a bad word? Where is the value in providing your child with the reality of adulthood and the world if they never experience “no”? And never a harsh word? Yikes! Because I am quite sure this parent has never, ever lost her cool when discovering her child has used a Sharpie on her brand new duvet or freshly painted walls. And God-forbid this child experience a “no” during her kindergarten years. The poor thing will be found curled into a ball upon pick up every day. The teacher will undoubtedly develop a complex at having ruined the psychological stability of a four year old. Starting school is a stressful enough experience without suddenly finding yourself in a parallel universe where the other kids do not take kindly to your taking whatever you want from them and expecting no consequence. But, hey, I guess if she hits her friend in the head with the play centre iron she can always be directed and, “At the very most have her do a sit down activity”. Geesh people. Get a grip on reality. And if there is one sure fire way to bring out the fierce momma bear in a woman it is to harm her child. Not only is every student in this child's class not going to want to play with your child the parents too, will, without doubt, view her as one of "those" children. And let me tell you, "those" children do not get invited to play dates and birthday parties. Do you really want that isolation and (gasp!) rejection for your child? Because, trust me, carry on like you are and it's sure to come.

I have always said that there is a provider for every child and a child suited to every provider. Luckily, for this child her parent did her homework and found someone to care for her that has the same warped sense of providing a of false security that she gets at home. I can only imagine, however, how difficult it is to be that provider. I cannot even imagine four or five kids running around who have never heard the word “no”. I have never been witness to a state of anarchy but this comes as close as possible to my perception of such an event.

Of course, I could not leave the forum and not comment. That’s just me. And, I am also certain that you already know that my opinion was not received well. Oh, well. Such is life. Apparently the parents of these children don’t like people who disagree with them or tell them “no” either. Hmmm…the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

So, my words to those who think it appropriate to raise your kids in an apocryphal utopia accurate in its authenticity and reality to only one’s self, you are living and teaching a lie. Life if full of “no”. I cannot predict the future that lies ahead for your child. But I do know this; they will be heartbroken and rejected by a lover, they will not receive that perfect job opportunity at some time, they will have periods of failure, and the world will not unequivocally say “yes” to their every demand.

Keep on parenting in the style you deem to be sensible. And when all is said and done let me know how they are doing around the age of sixteen. I’m pretty sure the word “no” will come out of your mouth at least once in the teen years. But, unfortunately, by then it will be too late and your child will not understand a word you say. Good luck with that.





For concerns, advice or suggestions I welcome your email at judytrickett@yahoo.ca

11 comments:

  1. I don't agree 100% with you or the poster's comment. I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm all for positive guidance and discipline. I don't think "no" or time-outs are always negative. You can use non-punitive time-outs and you can say "no" in situations where you need to be firm, and still be kind in your delivery. The word "no" can be so over used with curious toddlers and limit pushing preschoolers, it starts to lose it's effectiveness.

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  2. I agree. No is over used sometimes. My thoughts are just that it's unrealistic to NEVER say No. Ya' know! Oh, and by the way....to have your name come up all the time go sign in to be a follower. It's over there on the right hand side of the page -------> just go to the "home" page and you will see it there.
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  3. I agree with you Judy. No is overused in many instances. Time-outs, redirection, and explanations should be used. But when they don't work children need to learn what no means. It sets your boundaries in many cases. It's clear, simple language. Long explanations for toddlers can be to much, and they have the attention span of nat (small bug) so they quickly forget why they are being redirected and for what reason. No sums it up quickly and easily.
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  4. I have to saY I am with you on this one. First, I think hitting is unacceptable, and does warrant a time-out. I have terminated a child for too much hitting. This child actually punched another in the stomach, and slapped another in the face. Second, I think it is your job as a parent to prepare your children for the big world. They are certainly going to hear no at some point. In school? Are you going to remove them from the school because the teacher said no? Well, that child is going to be changing schools alot. Yes, it is not good to say no all the time. Yes, I do beleive in re-directing. But..come on!!
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  5. Thanks for this post Judy! Our primary teachers in our school have an "alone chair". When the teacher is not being heard and our little angels are being little devils and disrupting everyone else - the chair becomes their friend. Is it called a time out? No, but a rose by any other name still smells as sweet (or whatever that saying is!) Would she pull her child out of school for that? I love our teacher and her classroom managment is second to none. She has 20 different personalities all competing for her attention, and the egos of their parents to massage at the same time. That woman deserves a friggin' award in my opinion.

    I really believe there is a balance to be had - never saying 'no' and no negative talk etc. is one extreme, and constant time-outs and screaming 'no' is the other. Acceptable boundaries and consequences for inappropriate behaviour are what kids need.

    Another thing I believe - when you are dealing with extremists... there's no changing their mind and the rest of us are idiots in their opinion. Perhaps their opinion will change when their child is 12+ and they have told their child 'no', without any redirection or choices, and are now having a major league guilt trip about the permanent damage they've done to the child. Sometimes, common sense ain't all that common.

    As parents and providers, we have a responsibility to teach our children that 'no means no' whether it comes from us, another adult or a peer.
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  6. Wow. I always wonder when people have philosophies such as absolutely no time-outs, no saying 'no' etc., if they're ever actually done research on the topic. Unbiased, looking at both sides research anyways. I am all about positive reinforcement with my children and daycare children, and don't speak 'negatively' to them (I don't label, use harsh words, or YELL), but they have certainly heard the word no, been in time out, been told things are 'not nice' 'inapporpriate' 'hurtful' etc.

    I once had a friend tell me that she believes time-outs teach our children that our love is conditional, and we will only love them if they behave the way WE want them to. I informed her that actually, time outs teach our children that when they hurt others or behave destructively, they will have to leave the situation. Guess what? That's what happens in life. I don't choose to spend time with people who are self-centered, hurt me, and are destructive. And at the same time, my children have never doubted my love for them b/c they've had to deal with the consequences of their actions.

    When parents adopt these crazy philosophies, I have to wonder what their goal is? Are they trying to socially alienate their child and make life in THIS world difficult for them. I get that a lot of stuff in our society sucks, but making your child incapable of 'fitting in' is very detrimental to them. They're headed for a life of unhappiness.
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  7. Excellent post Judy, and the comments were great as well.
    Contemplate this.....when these "non no" children are at some point later in life pulled over for speeding will the officer "redirect" them with a positive attitude...I think not!
    We have to teach our children to grow up in THIS world, whether we agree with everything in it or not we must PREPARE them for LIFE!
    Adrien Sherry
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  8. I use the word 'no' so often I'm sure the kids are tired of me saying it, however, I do also use the 'hands are for hugging' line. Actually my line goes something like this: Hands are for helping and hugging not hitting and hurting. I like the high five one too! Can any of you providers imagine 'not' saying 'no' on a regular basis! Like if we had a 'no' jar instead of a swear jar? I'd be putting money in the jar every five minutes because I don't think I'd be able to stop myself from saying 'no'!! Great post!
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  9. "Little Suzie, you just hit Johnny... come here and color instead". OMG!!! Ah no (oh dear, I used that word), you will be appologizing and getting some redirection even time out, pending on situation.

    I, myself, am going to try the "hands are for helping......" line. Never thought of that.
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  10. Yeah, I too use the 'hands are for hugging' line too. But, if I was honest it would be more like...."Johnny, NO, we do NOT hit our friends. hands are for hugging and NOT hittin. Now, you will have to sit in time out until you are ready to say sorry to your friend".

    Now tell me....what's wrong with that? It that traumatizing to the child? Good gravy!
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  11. HAHA! You are awesome! I have an aggressive child in my care. His mom actually said that she thought it would be better if I explained to him what he was doing and why it was wrong, and then teach him to do the right thing. I said "exactly, I do that every day....AFTER saying no, and saving the other child from some sort of trauma"....lol
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